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Discussion in 'CNC Mills/Routers' started by that-jim, May 2, 2020.
Machine based on Sphinx 55 built with linear rails.
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Hi, I was wondering how is the cnc machine build going? I was curious if you have got it going to notice if the MGN12 alignment block for the rails works good or you do think you still have to use dial indicator?
Corey, well... it is going kind of slow. I did get all of the hardware for attaching the rails and they are now on. At first I tried a 3d printed guide for rail alignment but was not satisfied with the result. So I made an aluminum block that I bolted to the extrusion, this block has an adjustable screw for setting the rails. like this, there are t nuts holding it on so you can push the rail against it then snug down the rail
This worked very well, I did check the rails with an indicator afterword but they seemed perfect. I think this measuring step is not really necessary but it was reassuring to confirm that my alignment jig worked.
Once I set and tightened the top rail I loosely assembled the bottom rail, side plate and rail blocks. Then I slid the side plate back and forth and snugged up the bottom rail and blocks. I figured that this would align the bottom rail to the top rail and as far as I can tell it did the trick.
That aluminum block and screw are brilliant. I was just trying to come up with something to do the same thing, but you did it for me. Awesome! thanks.
Good idea! Thanks for sharing. I was a little on the fence about 3d printing the guide but I was gonna try it. Only reason why is I know my 3d printer. And I figured I print it up and something would be off. But I like your idea better. Glad I asked, I am still sourcing parts so haven't got my rails yet. I have had to redo
Z axis plate so machine is apart right now. But as soon as I can cut aluminum reliably I plane to make some plates and upgrade to rails system or just start another bigger machine. Thanks!
Nice update! Machine looking good. I also like the thrust bearing and washer Idea! Did you push the motor drive coupler just snug?
Thanks Corey. Yes the motor coupling is 'just' pushed against the thrust washer. I have cut a few projects with the machine so far and everything seems to be working well.
M3 t-nut for attaching rails where you ordered ?
do these fit?
Machifit 50pcs 20M3 T Sliding Nut M3 Slot T Nut for 2020 Aluminum Profile Machine Tools & Accessories from Tools on banggood.com
Those should work, they look exactly like the ones I used.
Where can I get linear rails for this project? I am converting a workbee1010 to linear rails. Chris is sourcing the plates
Deluxe 2" taller Linear Rail Sphinx CNC Plate Set (seen at Openbuilds) | eBay
, so I’ll need the rest of the hardware including screws, nuts and everything else. I’ve never bought linear rails from eBay or anywhere else for that matter. Don’t want to get stuck with junk specially since installing this upgrade takes a few hours to do. Any suggestions?
Myself and others here have purchased these. I bought three sets, but could probably got away with 2. I use a top and bottom for each side of the y axis. I plan to cut another set to 1000 mm for the x with the leftover pieces for the 500 mm z axis. I am doing a homebrew high z mod to mine using the Openbuilds high z kit. I did have to order 4 extra bearings for the z.
I got the rails I used for this build from the following links
Machifit MGN12 100-1000mm Linear Rail Guide with MGN12H Linear Sliding Guide Block CNC Parts Machine Tools & Accessories from Tools on banggood.com
I did have to spend some time cleaning the factory oil from the bearings and rails and then re-lube them, but they seem to work well.
The plate set I got from Chris had spacers that work with the 12mm MGN12 rails, so you will have to verify what height of rail and bearing works with your set up.
Thank you guys. Any do’s/don’ts when cutting the linear rails to size? Thinking of using a jigsaw with a blade for metal. I don’t own a grinder but I could borrow one.
I was just going to use a sawzall with a metal blade and if that doesn't work, an angle grinder.
Hi again, I wanted to bounce a couple of ideas by you guys that have gone thru a similar upgrade. Seems like with Covid, linear rails are hard to come by. I checked the Amazon link and they were out and the banggood are partially out as well.
I came across this vendor in Texas
ZYLtech Engineering LLC that has the rails. Adding rails and plates, I am close to $720. I also came across https://www.cnc3d.com.au/ which sells the entire kit using linear rails (a bit bigger blocks I think) with all the bolts, shims and others misc for about $920 delivered. I was wondering if $720 plus all additional hardware is the best route. Anyone has experience with cnc3d?
I cut my rails with a grinder with metal cut off disc
Hi Jim, Great work! Can you please post your Spindle Mount Bracket? That looks like a good upgrade I would like to make for my machine. Thank you
I am almost finished with the update to linear rails on my Workbee. I ended up buying the rails from ZYLtech. They were expensive but they are a Texas based company. The blocks are OK but I wish they were smoother on the rails. We’ll see how they perform. Since I took everything apart, I decided to redo certain things differently this time. For the spoilboard, I went with all aluminum extrusions and will add MDF slats instead of a large board. I’ll use the extrusions to anchor bolts on the v-slots, so I can hold parts. It should be more rigid and easier to replace slats than an entire spoilboard. I need to 3D print new plastic brackets to hold the cable chains as the z and y gantry plates are very different. All things considered, it’s been a long process but mainly due to having little time to work on it. Looking forward to CNC’ing again. Will post some pictures when it’s finished to help out anyone else attempting to do it.
Hi Hector, are you using the Blue Ox Solutions (Chris Laidlaw) plates?
I am thinking of doing the same upgrade. ZYLtech rails with the above plates.
Looking forward to seeing your results.
Yes. I got the plates from Chris. You’ll need to order two anti-backlash for the Y axes from Openbuilds. For the screws and t-nuts I went to Amazon. Also, pickup a bag of 100 3/32 ball bearings cause you are bound to loose some. I did loose one and had to wait a couple of days for Amazon. Let me know if you need any help.
King, Here are links to the fusion 360 files for that bracket
CAM file for bracket
Let me know if you want it in another format, hopefully it works well for you.
Thank you! Can't want to make one of my own!
After years of looking, going to spend some saved cash and build one. I was wanting a design like yours (thinking that the rails offer better accuracy over the wheels), but was hoping to expand like the C-beam Sphinx (shooting for 1000 Y, 750 X). I like the open work path giving the option to stitch work paths for longer products. I was wondering with your design, and if I used the cut size from C-beam Sphinx 1000 x 750, would I at least get 24" cut distance in the X? Would primarily be used on wood products (MDF - hardwoods), plastic/acrylic, (and maybe aluminum, or would the size exclude this?).
I have a footprint of roughly 500x500 and a cut area of 325 x 335, at 750 x 1000 you should be able to have a cut area of 575 x 835 or 22.6" x 32.8". I think you would have to custom cut the x (beam and screw) to get 750 so you could just cut it to around 800 and get your 24" X.
It should work well for all these materials.
Much appreciation to you and all the other builders on this site for sharing.
Nice build! I was wondering what the maximum height of part is that can fit in the machine. I want to make cut-outs in the top and bottom of plastic enclosures that measure 150 mm (5.9 inches) from top to bottom. Will this part clear a mill in a router?
I have 120mm between the bottom of the z-axis and the top of spoil-board, so your enclosure would not fit the way mine is configured. If you removed the spoil-board and reconfigure the frame a bit you could likely find a way to machine your enclosures. If you put some thought into it you could probably configure the bed of a machine like this (link).
Thanks for the information. I was studying the Stepcraft machine setup and then found this link that is probably the most versatile for me (although I probably won't try to tackle the 5th axis).
Sounds like you are on to a cool solution, the beauty of the openbuilds stuff is that you can take a machine and rework it to fit your needs.
Here is my updated workbee. It now has linear rails on all 3 axes, aluminum extrusions below the spoil board, and a better spoil board design. It should be easier to hold down my work pieces and replace damaged boards on the spoil board. It took me a while as I had to disassemble just about everything. I am happy with the results so far. I need calibrate and run some jobs; the first one will be to make an aluminum bracket for the cable track on the X gantry. I also need to cover the top of the enclosure as some saw dust still makes it way out. I will probably use plexiglass to let some light in.