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How to save file in vcarve to send to Blackbox?

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  1. Fat Mike

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    Hey guys, I bought a workbee, and have it assembled. This is a newbie question. I ran one of the “sample” patterns from vcarve pro and the machine ran great. I saved that file in the “x-carve” option that was listed in the drop down in v carve.

    Well I have bought the V Carve pro version now. This morning when I went to run the machine none of my tool paths are doing right, the router plunges into the material. I have checked my tool paths, all are on multiple passes, I have tried both x-carve options as well as both GRBL options in the drop down.

    What am I missing?
     
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    If you are using the Grbl (inch) (*. gcode) or Grbl (mm) (*. gcode) post processors did you remember to set wcs zero before running the g-code?
    If so post your G code file here and one of us will have a look to see if it gives any clues.
    Alex.
     
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    No sir I didn’t do that as far as I know... this is my first time setting up a machine from scratch so to speak... I don’t even know what wcs zero is or stands for.

    I will try to post the file here shortly.
     
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    OK - I'll try to explain this, but I'll also tag @David the swarfer who is brilliant at explaining co-ordinate systems.
    First do you have limit switches at one end of each axis, and if so have you managed to set up homing?
    Alex
     
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    Yes I have limit switches, and can home the machine
     
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    OK, when you home the machine you set the machine co-ordinate system. The wcs stands for work co-ordinate system. Every time you start a job you should jog to the point on your workpiece where you set the origin and set the wcs X Y and Z - if you are using OB control to send your g-code to your blackbox there is a set of buttons on the left to do this (you can set X Y and Z separately or set all three at the same time). If you are looking at Vectric sample files Edit/Job size and position will tell you where the origin has been set (Z zero and XY datum) - I usually set it left/front/top of the workpiece. Once you have set your work co-ordinate system zero (making sure you have enough space around the workpiece to run the job) you should be able to run your g-code.
    Alex.
     
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    Ok I understand that and can and have done that. My problem is that when I am setting up multiple passes in v carve, when I run the machine it does not recognize the multiple passes and is plunging the bit to the complete depth of the material.
     
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    Post your g-code file and I'll have a look at it.
    Alex
     
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    Also, have a look at your vectric file in case you have got wcs Z zero set at the bottom of your workpiece.
    Alex.
     
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    I think I am starting to make some ground. I am pretty sure it is something in v-carve that I don't have set up right. I forgot to mark the "Save all tool paths", so now I have that done, but it seems as though I still don't have something set right in Vetric as it wants to send my bit to the waste board like it is the workpiece.
     
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    I would be happy to have a look at your vectric file if that would help - post it here if so.
    Alex
     
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    well... I am trying to figure out how to post it right now... thank you for your patience!
     
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    Upload file when you post a new message.
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    See if this works.... I may have learned something new again today!
     
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    Hi Mike, You are designing in inches and post processing in mm. (You can do that with the grbl post processors but it adds a layer of confusion)
    1) Set your Z zero position in Vectric to material surface (Edit/Job Size and Position)
    2) use the Grbl (inch) (*.gcode) post processor when you save the toolpath
    3) try again (be ready with the emergency stop) - I usually set wcs Z zero about 20 mm from the top of the Z axis and let the machine cut some thin air when troubleshooting.
    Alex.
     
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    Great! I will try that. Thank you!
     
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    How were you planning to hold that workpiece down? You either need to add tabs to the toolpath or use the masking tape and superglue method - masking tape on the spoilboard and on the workpiece - superglue the strips of masking tape together - create a sandwich - spoilboard/masking tape/superglue/masking tape/workpiece.
    The bits will fly all over the place if you don't.
    Alex.
     
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    I will add tabs!
     
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    Alex, thanks a ton for your time and advice today! The boy and I got it going now!
     
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    Pleased to hear that @Fat Mike, it is what the forum is here for. I guess you are realising you have a learning curve ahead of you - don't hesitate to come back with further questions.
    Alex.
     

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