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Tramming Lead 1515

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  1. Jason Elford

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    I’m having issues figuring out how to tram the spindle in one of the directions (back to front, see picture). How can this be done on the Lead 1515?
     

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    By adjusting the X gantry until the spindle is perpendicular. The Z is fixed relative to X in that direction, so you fix the tramming by rotating the X axis about itself.
     
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  3. Jason Elford

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    Best way to do that? Is this done by adjusting the vertical c beams highlighted in red line, and their angular position on the yellow highlighted piece?
     

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    Correct, with the single beam like a LEAD1010 one could just rotate the beam itself, but with the dual beams of the 1515 and High-Z its probably more down to the uprights. You could maybe also win a little by moving the beams relative to each other - not sure how far out you are - the arrow you drew is spot on though! That is the concept right there!
     
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    I tapped the two holes shown and put small bolts through the back side. There wasn't enough adjustment through the uprights and it's too hard to get a precise adjustment like that. With the two bolts you can adjust them like a thumb screw and get it dead on. I know it's frowned upon to adjust the carriage assembly like this but my tram is spot on now and I haven't had any issues.

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    If I understand correctly, you loosened your black corner connectors holding the z axis c beam to the 2 independent x carriages, then used the grub screws you added to adjust the z axis c beam. Did you then shim in between the c beam and the 2 x axis carriages and then tighten the black corner connectors, or just tighten the corner connectors and lead your grub screws to hold it off in the right position? I guess I’m concerned that this will mean that the 2 x axis carriages will be at a slight angle to each other?
     
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    You delete the other post? Yes, loosen black corner connectors and use thumb screws to adjust Z c beam. The thumb screws are essentially shims. Just make sure the top of the z c beam is even at the top. Adjust one thumb screw at a time and then snug the other one up and you don't have to worry about twisting anything.

    I got a large piece of glass and dial indicator and made sure my reference surface was flat. Then I took a broken bit and 1-2-3 blocks with a light behind it and adjusted it accordingly from front and back. I don't think it could be any more accurate for a hobby cnc machine.
     
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    That makes sense to me! I’ll give it a shot. I surfaced my spoil board once, which results in very very slight scalloping, but apart from the averaging it is now flat to the y beams. Plan is to adjust tram, then rerun spoiler board flattening and hopefully it’s smooth.
     
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    Was doing some late night thinking and thought of an easier way to tram the spindle about the y axis (which requires lossening the spindle mount and rotating it. This is annoying ti do because the spindle gets bolted on with 4 screws, but 2 are inaccessible (the ones that bolt on from behind on the gantry plate). I took one of those 2 screws out and tightened the one remaining. Then I reassembled the z axis, and added the 2 black corner connectors. I kept them a touch loose. I was then able to rate the router mount until I was happy with the tram, and tighten down the corner connectors. I’m taking the risk that the router mount will not have issues being held on by 3 of the 4 screws. So far it’s worked out, anyone else doing this or something better to facilitate easy tramming?
     
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    Normally, the Router mount - to the plate behind it, does already make a perfect 90deg corner. If you have to shim that to straighten the router, its usually because the Z axis itself is angled. (i.e. an issue higher up, and just fixing the symptom, not the cause) The Z axis, in turn is a fixed reference from the X gantry - so if its tilted, the X gantry is rotated about itself. And on a LEAD, that means either the Z uprights are tilted, or the bracketry holding the Gantry rails to the Z uprights, need adjustment. If the tilt is in X, its the usually the gantry mounted higher on one side on the Z uprights (relative to the Y rails)

    Basic tramming:
    - Make XY Plane perfectly level
    - Make Z perfect perpendicular to XY plane
    - Router moves relative to Z, so if the above is correct, the router would maybe only need a little left/right adjustment as the mounting holes allow some play - but you can square that up to the bottom edge of the plate / extrusion of the Z carriage before even fitting it to the machine
     

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