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Discussion in 'OpenBuilds Bug Report' started by Michka, Dec 12, 2023.

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  1. Michka

    Michka New
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    Hello from Paris (FR),

    Please help :cry:,

    Since I installed a vfd and a spindle (0.8KW) controlled by PWM, my cnc is weird.

    - it connects well: OK
    - the spindle rotates at the requested speed: OK
    - But after a few seconds the lines scroll
    "
    [17:26:56] [ ] Idle|MPos:113.000,103.000,-23.000,0.000|Bf:15,0|FS:0,12000>
    [17:27:01] [ ] Idle|MPos:113.000,103.000,-23.000,0.000|Bf:15,0|FS:0,12000>
    [17:27:14] [ ] Idle|MPos:113.000,103.000,-23.000,0.000|Bf:15,0|FS:0,12000>
    [17:27:17] [ ] Idle|MPos:113.000,103.000,-23.000,0.000|Bf:15,0|FS:0,12000>
    [17:27:19] [ ] Idle|MPos:113.000,103.000,-23.000,0.000|Bf:15,0|FS:0,12000>
    "
    etc ..see image upload_2023-12-12_19-7-24.png

    and while openbuild displays that I am still connected, the commands no longer react.
    I have to disconnect and reconnect to be able to turn off the spindle.

    However, I put ferrites everywhere as you say.
    before with the Makita it worked great.

    Sorry for google translate
     
  2. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
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    Symptoms point to either:

    1) Forgot to do docs:blackbox-x32:install-windows-selective-suspend [OpenBuilds Documentation]
    or more likely 2) EMI: docs:blackbox-x32:faq-emi [OpenBuilds Documentation]

    and
    Points more at an EMI issue - VFD spindles are horrendous - needs proper earthing, and shielded wiring on the spindle cabling. See EMI FAQ linked ^
     
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  3. Michka

    Michka New
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    oups ....."needs proper earthing, and shielded wiring on the spindle cabling."
    OK
    and another quick trip to "amazon":(

    my vfd is under the work surface, I think I have to move it away
    in any case, a big thank you for your help so quickly, I'm doing all this and "I will be back"
     
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    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
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    With VFDs spacing sure helps, but if its not earthed, and the 400hz 3 phase AC is running up a long length of 3 core without shielding. And that cord is wrapped in the same cable chain as the low voltage cabling - no amount of Moving the VFD will help :)

    Have a read

    Swing arm for the cable, and VFD wired right will get you further
     
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    Wow.
    it's very big, note I can hang with my spindle cooling pipes
    I start with the shielded cable

    merci a vous
     
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    Michka New
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    Bonjour
    Je n'ai pas encore reçu le câble blindé
    mais quand je l'ai, dois-je mettre le blindage sur la masse du vfd.

    merci
     
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    Michka New
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    oups (translate error)
    hello
    I have not yet received the shielded cable
    but when I have it, should I put the shielding on the gnd of the vfd.

    thanks you
     
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    I am having the same issue on my 2 axis lathe build. It will seemingly randomly disconnect in the middle of a cut, the newest issue I am seeing is after finishing the cuts it is programmed in the g code to return to y0 x0 and it will either disconnect during one of these movements or it will continue past one of the preset 0 locations. This is after confirming before the start of the cut that it is starting at the y0 ,x0. I can't place any emi reasons as the setup ran fine for about 2 years in the same configuration.
     
  9. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
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    Check switch wiring. Use troubleshooting tab to test. V+ to GND short on a switch can damage a BlackBox so double check! (Note the warnings on docs:blackbox-x32:connect-xtension-limit [OpenBuilds Documentation]) Shorting v+ to GND cuts the connection too (short on voltage rails, microcontroller doesn't get power, resets)

    A good timeframe to consider wire damage yes - check terminals for fraying or loose terminals with cables pulling out, etc.
     

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