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No M4 support on my 1.5 kW Vevor spindle . Why ???

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  1. Hruppo

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    Hello everyone.

    I have owned a Lead 1515 machine on MGN for a long time and I am just about to arm myself with the ATC function from Rapidchange ATC. The problem is that after writing the G code M4, the spindle turns on in the same way as in the case of M3 that is to the right. Where to look for the problem in the VFD settings or am I doing something wrong? When entering M3, the speed control works correctly

    VFD Model
    AE200-2-1PH-1. 5G

    Spindel
    1.5 kW Vevor

    Control
    Blackbox x32

    Any ideas ???
    Thanks for your time and answers
     
    #1 Hruppo, Jun 20, 2024
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    Did you wire up Relay1 for enable and Relay2 for fwd/rev? (depending on VFD some require daisy chain through both relays)
     
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    I'm poor at these things.... This is how I have the cables connected and forgive the dirt on the VFD.
     

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    For example

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    I have the VFD connected completely differently. I have two cables coming out of the Blackbox from the GND and 0 -10 V section to the VFD. I don't have the Relay 1 and 2 section connected at all. I've uploaded a picture of the VFD. Can you tell me where exactly to plug in in my case ?

    After this change of connection I have to change something in openbuilds control software ?
     

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    Refer your VFDs manual, or ask the VFD supplier to support their product

    Quick squint at the manual, around Page 59 - 2 wire mode https://www.vallder.com/images/product_details_images/ae200/AE200a-x.pdf
    Shows you can configure S1 and S2 as FWD/REV for example, wire that to NO/NC on Relay2. Wire COM on VFD to COM on Relay2.

    Relay 1 shouldn't be needed - seems you already have stop/start working with just the 0-10v signal.

    Setting up S1 and S2 inputs, might need changes to VFD parameters (best answered by VFD supplier, but if I had to guess, at least VFD manual page 57 / P053 for S1 and P054 for S2

    Keep running log of any VFD parameters you change, so you can go back if you do something wrong
     
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    So I will try to connect like this :

    Bridges in Blackbox
    NO ( Relay1 ) < ---> COM ( Relay2 )

    Blackbox connection to VFD
    COMM (Relay1) ---> COM
    NO ( Relay2 ) ---> S1
    NC ( Relay2 ) ---> S2

    After connecting, change the values in the VFD
    P-053 to 1
    P-054 to 2

    Is there anything else I should change or check ?
     
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    Why? See
    Yours is already different from the the example, so go with what I said later on (only - nothing extra, no relay1 anymore, you don't have the usual ENABLE jumper wire needed for other VFDs, yours can do Direction without doubling as Enable):

     
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    Forgive me I'm not good at such connections.
    So without bridging Relay1 with Relay2 simply

    Blackbox connection to VFD
    COMM (Relay2) ---> COM
    NO ( Relay2 ) ---> S1
    NC ( Relay2 ) ---> S2
    GND --> GND
    0 - 10V ---> FV or 10V ???

    After connecting, change the values in the VFD
    P-053 to 1
    P-054 to 2

    Correct ?
    Thanks for your time
     
    #9 Hruppo, Jun 20, 2024
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    Correct


    Leave the 0-10v as it is, we know it work


    Cannot confirm correctness. Never had one of those across my desk, no writeups, manual in badly translated english. For that you would be better off confirm with the vendor, or if need be experimentally. Or with more manual reading. But at first glace, it seemed those settings were the relevant ones to enable S1 and S2
    Note 1=Disabled. Should be 2 and 3?

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    then how can is know to run in reverse? you will have to connect relay to give it direction. This is not a SOFTWARE thing, it needs real connections
     
    #11 David the swarfer, Jun 22, 2024
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    Relax ... I have already been instructed to try to connect the cables. I'm not an electrician but a programmer and I have a machine for a hobby and I'm learning automation as I can call it. Saturday will be a test when I get home from a trip.
     
    #12 Hruppo, Jun 24, 2024

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