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Fusion 360 personal use license changes

Discussion in 'General Talk' started by Alex Chambers, Sep 16, 2020.

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  1. Rob Taylor

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    If you're at a point where you can consider other solutions, I would do so. In an ideal world, we'd all switch to FreeCAD and donate and make it into the next Blender. I hope that still happens, yet. There are enough options out there to meet quite a few personal use cases even aside from the FOSS options- including MecSoft's FreeMILL, which appears to be similar to the new free tier of Fusion.

    The 40% should be available for two more weeks, from what I've heard, but I happened to get an extra $300 I wasn't expecting so I could jump in earlier. The main capabilities they're turning off shouldn't be until January.

    I don't want to continue to use Autodesk products though if I can help it- and $500 a year isn't awful in the grand scheme of things, I'll admit, for the capabilities- but the general lack of transparency, the sudden changes, the unilateral removal of features that customers have been using (which seems insane... Paying customers as permanent beta testers?!), the bait-and-switch "get 'em hooked" strategy... I dunno. Not what I would call a quality, ethical way of doing business- and ethical issues aside, unreliability as a vendor for mission-critical tools is a giant red flag. Some brief Googling shows that this isn't the first time they've done this, this is just how they do business.

    Like I say, I hope I'm using MecSoft's VisualCAD/CAM by this time next year. Their perpetual licenses are $600 for a basic 3-axis CAM + vector/art packages (Vectric V-carve might be a better, deal, I haven't compared), $1500 for the same higher-tier 3-axis CAM that Fusion comes with (seems like a pretty good deal), $2500 for the simultaneous-4th features that I need (vs Fusion's $1500/yr for the Manufacturing extension, because it doesn't actually come with 4th axis CAM... And some argue it can't do 4-axis at all), and a couple higher-end packages for 5-axis work. Their prices seem reasonable for the higher-end hobbyist or small commercial shop, without getting into the crazy MasterCAM/Esprit/NX etc. world.

    For basic 3-axis machining where cycle time is irrelevant, you're manually swapping tools in an ER collet and probing them, maybe running per-tool sequential files, probably not too much changes. But I want reasonable cycle times using G0, I have repeatable tooling using TTS-style holders in a 3/4" R8 collet (and a BT30 spindle to replace it with at some point) that I don't ATC (yet, I'll save that for the BT30) but I do expect the M6 tool calls. I'm not 100% sure on this one but I believe they originally said they weren't going to be providing the more advanced 3-axis strategies in the free tier either, which they sort of gloss over in the blog post now, I'm not sure if they backtracked on that or not. I definitely use more than ten files at a time (which the updated blog confirms that assemblies can use archived models, as I suspected above) with assemblies and pallet designs and multiple simultaneous projects... Plus the fact that I have every intention of putting 4th axes on both the mill and the gantry machine I'm building.

    But right now, I have a year where I don't have to worry too much about what they're doing, what they're saving for later, what they're pretending they're not doing any more, etc etc.
     
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    FreeCad Facebook page is discussing the Fusion 360 fallout and upcoming FreeCad updates. Perhaps someone could convince Marc Fleury (JBoss founder and Redhat fame) to advise/invest in it.
     
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    In the interests of corrections when appropriate:

    TIL: this isn't as true as the conversation you can find on Practical Machinist would have you believe (shocking, I know). For at least some stuff, the basic 2D paths that are 4th-axis-enabled out of the box would do the majority of what most people need:



    Anything more complex than 2D work on cylinders seems to require the extension for $1500/yr (also includes advanced probing, etc), but anyone using a rotary axis who doesn't just want to wrap 2D toolpaths all the time at least has a bit of an option (albeit now at $500/yr).
     

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