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  1. mrp192

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    Just tried this macro for a XYZ touch probe but it only did the Z. anyone have an idea?

    G38.2 Z-25 F100; G91 G0 Z3; G91 G0 X-50; G91 G0 Z-8.2; G38.2 X30 F100; G91 G0 X-3; G91 G0 Z8.2; G91 G0 Y-50; G91 G0 X50; G91 G0 Z-8.2; G38.2 Y30 F100; G91 G0 Y-3; G91 G0 Z8.2; G10 P0 L20 X35.943 Y-15.667 Z8
     
  2. Trooper11040

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    If you use the Z probe wizard, be careful if you use it twice in a row...the bit will drive into the z probe hard and fast and ruin the bit. Not sure why...on the initial z zero, it comes down slowly and works.
     
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    What i'm trying to do is probe the X and Y to find the corner.
     
  4. Trooper11040

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    I use a triquetra zero plate to get all 3 axis in one shot. It also comes with software to create gcode for his plate. It’s made by Charley Thomas. Check it out...
    Home of the Triquetra 3 Axis Touch Plate - Triquetra-CNC
     
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  5. Jack D

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    I apologize if I didn't see it asked, but is there, or will there be a way to change from metric to standard measurements? Everything I do is in standard measurements. All of my current software is capable of this, and I don't believe it would take much to implement it. Thanks.
     
  6. Peter Van Der Walt

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    It supports Inch mode GCODE but the UI is in Metric only.
     
  7. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Interesting! Will check it out this end later this week and see if theres a bug, thanks for the report: official bugtracker reference: Z Probe twice = crash · Issue #53 · OpenBuilds/SW-Machine-Drivers - please check there for updates
     
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  8. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Just checking: You did update to 1.0.144 at least before?
     
  9. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Break it up and test your X and Y probes with their own buttons - that might give some clues
     
  10. David the swarfer

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    love this 'standard measurements' thing. only standard in America, known as 'Imperial' everywhere else, and is not the standard. (-: the meter is the standard all over the world, and the American inch is defined as 0.0254 meters.
     
  11. Jack D

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    Well... there are 325 million American people that use the "Imperial" system of measurement. It's what we are taught. So yeah, it's quite standard to me. After using it for 45 years, it is difficult to just drop it and begin using the metric system. It would just be a whole lot easier for me to use, if the software spoke my mathematical language. Sort of a PITA to have to use a conversion calculator to jog the machine around.
     
  12. Peter Van Der Walt

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    You can try bCNC or CNCjs - at this time we only have the Metric UI sorry
     
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    324,999,996 people in America use it. My kids prefer metric and after 45 years of adding, subtracting, and dividing fractions I switched over to metric (same time I started designing my CNC). My life has become soooo much easier. :thumbsup: If you want a simple converter, Google " in to mm" and a web page will be available where you can enter your values. I have to do that regularly just to wrap my mind around larger things because my mind has inches burned into it.:)
     
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  14. Wip

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    Hi Peter,

    Yes, my Control software is the latest release.

    Just playing around a little today...I was able to trigger a 'hard limit' when I shut the router OFF...literally just turned it off.

    Cleared the alarm...turned the router back on...jogged the machine a little...turned the router off and then the software just hung.

    I'm starting to wonder if my control board (xPro v4) is faulting and that's what's confusing the Control software?
     
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    I have the same problem with an Arduino setup. (never had it with my xPro board). It only happens when I use the switch on the router. If I use the switch on the extension cord that the router is plugged into, it does not happen.
     
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    *scratching my head*...I wonder why?

    In case Peter is reading this...I set the switch on my v4 to "play" now...it was on "pause". Tried duplicating the issue and so far have been unable to do so...switching router on and off...switching vac on and off...jogging the machine around...switching things on and off while it's mid-jog...

    I dunno. I'm going to try running my little pocketing job and see what happens.
     
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  17. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Yip sliding the slider to play is the only way it works reliably. All kinds of issues when not on Play. Been answered here in the forums a few times, and a couple weeks ago we actually took all the new Xpros in stock and slid it to play as a lot of people complained - helps to have it go out as default (you can turn on driverminder if you understand the limitations, but by default just play) (Personal opinion of driverminder: Why pause - if you already had a driver fault long enough to turn the fault line low, you already skipped steps. To pause is never gonna help, that jobs already ruined. The pause/play just hides the drivers overheating symptom into some symptom that makes it look like a comms issue (hangs = people think comms, not overheat) - and stock grbl has no way to output a specific message just the standard pause stuff which was never meant to do this </rant sorry>)


    RE the limits triggering on bare arduino from EMI from the router: Wire up RC Filters guys software can't do everything:

    Advanced ways: gnea/grbl
    Simple ways: Solving Endstop Woes with a Simple Analog Filter
    (Xpro might have these onboard not 100% sure, Blackbox has filtering hehe. Bare arduino does not)
     
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  20. Peter Van Der Walt

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    :) All good, I meant the debounce code inside grbl can't do the filtering as good as bit of hardware (;
     
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  21. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Very possible - but shouldnt really "hang" with the switch on Play anymore (Sympton now should be it going off track and cutting in the wrong spot)
     
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    Again, I REALLY appreciate all the help...and please, if I'm in the wrong spot let me know...definitely want to figure this out and get my machine running.

    Maybe "hang" is the wrong word...'freeze' might be a better description...everything just stops and Control is 'frozen' (locked up)...no alarms...no strange noises from the hardware (I'm making a very light cut, 0.1 mm at 635 mm per minute in "Corian") and otherwise up to the point where it freezes the cut looks good.

    At this point I really don't think it's a software issue...but somehow the way my hardware is interacting with the software is causing the trouble...and I just don't know how to troubleshoot it otherwise without software...or what I can do to make my hardware play nice with the software?

    This last time that it happened (just a few minutes ago) I was able to 'disconnect'...and clicked connect which appeared to work...but everything else was still frozen within the software (IE: I couldn't open any menus or jog the machine). Then I tried shutting down Control and restarting but could not connect at all at that point. It wasn't until I completely unplugged the USB cord and plugged it back in before everything went back to normal.

    Could it be something really dumb like a bad USB cord? (I'll dig around and see if I have another...this one came with the board from OpenBuilds) Bad USB connection in general? Would that even cause the software to 'freeze'?

    I'm going to back the current on my drivers way down just to eliminate that possibility as well.

    THANK YOU again...sorry for all the questions.
     
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  23. Peter Van Der Walt

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    We can try to debug it

    1. Press F12 on the OpenBuilds Control window - a secret debugger pops open to the right
    2. Drag your window a little wider as things will be all squashed now
    3. In the CONSOLE tab of the debugger, the next time its 'frozen', type "JSON.stringify(laststatus)" - copy and paste the output (red text) for me please
    4. Keep it open and run a couple tests - when an error occurs - see if any big red errors popup in the log there

    debug.PNG


    Also, we can debug the Backend:
    1. Quit OpenBuilds CONTROL from the system tray (right click system tray icon, Quit)
    2. Right click on your OpenBuilds CONTROL desktop Icon, properties, and copy the path in TARGET
    target.PNG

    3. Open a Command Prompt (WinKey+R -> CMD -> enter)
    4. Paste the path you copied in {2} and press Enter
    5. Its now running OpenBuilds CONTROL from the command line there: keep an eye for any errors or messages that might be a clue when you freeze
    start manually.PNG
     
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    Wow, thank you for that...hopefully have some time today to run the machine.

    I did back off the motor current POTs about 1/8 of a turn...not sure if that will make a difference but something I hadn't tried before.

    Also...maybe you can shed light on the $1=255 setting. I purchased the "regular" NEMA 23 motors from OpenBuilds...do they do ok when that setting is 255?

    Also should say...that within Control I select the LEAD 1010 and use all of the default settings that get populated (with limit switches enabled)

    I feel like I'm getting really close to having this thing running great...can't wait :)
     
  25. Peter Van Der Walt

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    $1 should be 255 yes it keeps the motors "always on" - which we prefer as without power your Z can sag or your machine can loose position

    if you have High Torques the XPRO doesnt really have enough Oomph - those are 3A motors. the DRV8825s on the XPro gives around 1.8-2A before they start overheating, maybe 2.2A with a fan

    See
    Hooking Up External Drivers to the CNC xPRO V3 (There isnt an updated article for V4 yet, but still applies, just instead of soldering to pins, the V4 has screw terminals for the signals)
     
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    Awesome, thank you again...and (do you ever sleep? haha)

    my motors are "non" high-torque motors...just the regular NEMA 23's

    These guys:

    NEMA 23 Stepper Motor
     
  27. Peter Van Der Walt

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    That's been an issue thats been debated many many times :)

    I live in GMT+2 but have office hours in GMT-5 :) So thats kinda why I appear to be here all day lol. Rest assured I sleep from 1am to 5am every night and take a little lunchtime nap between 12 and 1 (; The other missing hours, i guess will be deducted from my credit someday when the books close
     
  28. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Oops! I misread! :)
     
  29. sharmstr

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    Hey Peter. I have a question about your response in the Blackbox thread. I know OB Control does not 'officially' support RPi so if you dont want to go into detail here, I'll accept that. However, I really want to go this route. I'm confused on why you would disconnect the usb to connect a "Rpi running OpenBuilds Control ".
     
  30. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Via GPIO if you wanted to, that response was more of a guideline of potential uses than a proper todo. However OpenBuilds/SW-Machine-Drivers does exist.
     
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