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  1. Giarc

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    No problem. I hope the settings work for you.
     
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    Is there any chance someone has worked up a fusion360 post for this set up? Y as the spindle, X and Z used for linear motion, and a black box controller.
    I mounted a trim router on Cbeam rails and have been making cylindrical objects using just the x and z axis. But now I have a stepper motor with gear reduction to drive the spindle. But I can’t seem to get a post to work. Any help is appreciated
     
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    If you have easy access to the stepper motors plugs/connections just switch the Y and the Z and you're free to go.
     
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    I have never attempted to use Fusion 360, because I already had Vectric Vcarve Desktop. So, I can design in Fusion, then export the item as an .stl file and import it into Vcarve to easily create the toolpaths. Can you do rotary on Fusion 360 without paying for the subscription? I tought that was only in the subscription, but I may be wrong.
     
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    This video may be of assistance. I would assume that the normal OpenBuilds post should work since it is still just XYZ moves, but I have not personally tried it.
     
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    You are correct, but even with the subscription you need the additional machining extension for rotary paths, another cost...... 5 axis positioning with 3 axis toolpaths can be done with the free version now though.
    You mentioned an "OpenBuilds post" all I have tried is the autodesk Grbl post. Is there a place to download a better post?
    I get an error saying the post needs to be modified to allow 5 axis movement when i try the autodesk post
     
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    I tried the openbuilds posts, an error message about grbl being only 3 axis is the result.
     
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    Hello,

    I stumble upon this very helpful post of yours. On my machine, I have a rotoray attached to my X axis and I am going Along Y Axis (due to the table design). The openbuild $100 setting for me is 26.7 and it does a perfect 360 mm rotation. However, when I design my document in vcarve the diameter lets say 32 mm and length is 120 mm, the tool path it generates, never rotates around the stock, only 32 mm actual rotation (I used a blue tape to measure). I hope it make sense? If I set a diamter of 360 and generate toolpath, it then rotates one 1 full rotation. Wondering what am I doing wrong here. and my PP for the vcarve is GRBL MM Thank you
     
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    Thank you so much for your quick and informative reply. Upon reading the document, the process assumes that the setup is ALONG X and wrapping Y, In my case its ALONG Y and wrapping X. Would it still work? or do I have to modify it. Thank you again for your help.
     
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    I do not know and I am not near my computer to look at the post processor. I would not be able to look for several hours
     
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    Thank you again for the quick reply. I figured it out with your help. I modified the processor based on my layout. Now it works as expected. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
     
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    You are welcome. I am glad you got it working.
     
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    What did you use for software and what did you use for a post processor to get your code to make grout?
     
  16. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Review the complete thread, there are in depth discussions on Vectric workflow, Post, Calibration etc. Its already in this thread, just start at page 1 onward
     
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    Vectric rotary post processor for grbl based machines. It is the Rotary Demon post processor: LEAD Lathe

    Here is a step by step on how to use it in Vcarve: LEAD Lathe
     
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    I hate to be That Guy, but here goes: Is there a BOM or list of parts I can use to fill an OpenBuilds shopping cart?
     
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    Oh boy, that could take a bit. I believe I started a hand written one. I will have to look for it. It is basically a High Z Mod for Lead 1010 CNC which gets you the uprights of 500 mm 2080 and the new Z axis beam and lead screw. However, since it is meant to be an add-on to a LEAD 1010, it is expected you would reuse the plates, fastening screws, nut blocks, etc from the original Z axis.

    So, it may be useful to buy everything from a version of the C-Beam® XLarge Linear Actuator Bundle except the lead screw. You could then use that cbeam for the slide for the Tailstock. You would also need an additional 1000mm C-Beam® XLarge Linear Actuator Bundle for the second X axis member.

    Then, for the two "feet", you would need two 500mm pieces (Or 1 - 1000mm that you cut) V-Slot® 20x80 Linear Rail Technically, it could be probably be 2060, but I used 2080 because I had it already.

    You need a 1000mm piece of V-Slot® 20x20 Linear Rail and 4 Adjustable V-Slot Hinge for the side braces.

    At least 16: Cast Corner Bracket and they get fastened to the cbeam with 8mm screws so 32 of them. I sand the little nubs off the cast corner brackets for the part that does not go into the vslot. If you do not do this then you would need 16 - 10mm and 16 - 8mm screws. This occurs where they cross the slot perpendicular vs. lining up with it. I used the Drop In Tee Nuts Pack for fastening these because, in my opinion they are easier/less frustrating to use. SO you need at least 16. I would get a 50 pack just in case. I also used cast corner brackets to fasten the 2080 "feet" to the machine bed. but there are probably other ways.

    For the tail stock, I used the Tee Nuts - M5 Pack because they slide nice and easy in the Vslot when adjusting the tail stock.

    I also used 4 of these for bracing the uprights 90 Degree Joining Plate but unless you wanted to make custom plates like I did for the top of the upper Cbeam, then get 2 more. they take 5 each of the 10mm Low Profile Screws M5 (10 Pack).

    Again, I made a couple of custom plates for the back braces. I believe tis is because the off the shelf were too small so the hole positions would not work. Those were made from 1/4 ich so they took 12mm. But, unless you did the same, there is no need for those screws. I also do not really think the plates are necessary, but I wanted to be sure it was well braced.
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    I will have to physically go look at it when I get a chance to see what I missed. Also, I forgot to mention I used a Black Box 4X which is no longer made. But this is better: BlackBox Motion Control System X32 and I used this 24V Meanwell Power Supply Bundle .and two of these: NEMA 23 Stepper Motor - High Torque Series

    If you want the custom plates I made, the files are uploaded in dxf format.

    -Craig
     
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    Wow, thank you, Craig! I did manage to download all of your drawings, which are awesome. If you don't mind, I'm going to build one of these and, during the course of that, create an Excel BOM and get it to you for inclusion in the Files and Drawings section for the project.

    Thanks again - I really do appreciate it. I'm so grateful that you made the effort to steer me here - very exciting stuff.

    Just a point that probably no one cares about - I'll be using the lathe to make harpsichord (I make them from scratch) stand legs and carving Native American flutes. Doing them both by hand is highly overrated. :)
     
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    Tag us on Instagram, Facebook or post about it here on the forum, we always love seeing projects
     
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    Hey, Craig, the only thing I'm not clear on is the first C-Beam® XLarge Linear Actuator Bundle - what length and doesn't the bundle come with a lead screw? I don't see an option to not order the lead screw and also assuming this first doesn't require the stepper motor but the second one does. I think I've got everything else in the BOM.
     
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    For your review.
     

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    My linear actuator kit was 1000mm. It came with the lead screw and anti-backlash nuts and all other necessary components for motion. The High Z mod does NOT come with the 1000mm long screw because it is assumed you have one with the existing X axis on a Lead 1010 machine. I hope that makes sense. That is why I bought both. If you need 1500meter long stuff, then you may need to do a special request with the store and get the tensioning version.

    Can't wait to see the projects.
     
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    Is the BOM helpful at all? I'm still updating - changed the linear actuator kit line to reflect the 1000mm w/NEMA 23 option. I believe the kit has the 1000mm lead screw needed.

    If the BOM is not helpful, I'll stop sharing - no worries.

    I'm pretty sure 1000mm will be enough to make harpsichord stand legs - checking now.

    Thanks again...D-

    UPDATE: The harpsichord legs are 17" (431.8mm), so, yeah...
     
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    Latest BOM - added SKUs when available. I think the two lines highlighted in yellow may be redundant because they're included in the linear actuator kit, but I'm not really sure - at all. If you (i.e., anyone reading this) think they are, please let me know.
     

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    I believe it will be helpful. Thanks.
     

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