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  1. Steveathome

    Steveathome Well-Known
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    Not sure if this is the question or not, but have you tried double clicking on the top black bar to give a full page view.
    Sorry if I got this question wrong.
     
  2. Peter Van Der Walt

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    @Steveathome is correct, maximise the window, zoom into the grid (default view shows full grid. Once you load a file it zooms to the extents of the job.. Got to have some defaults and seeing the whole job makes sense. After that its under your control, i usually tilt the view back so i get some sideward view too
     
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    Okay here are two pics open full size on a 15"w laptop. Once is of open builds with only about 3" of screen for the build plate. The other pic is GrblGru thats showing about 5" of screen for the build plate. The openbuilds has a lot of open space unused space that could be put to better use.

    I'd prefer to use a program that was specifically designed for the Blackbox than having to try and tweak something else.

    Thank you for looking.

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  4. Jamie Laird

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    Hello Peter et al.

    Your software looks great !

    I have a smoothieboard for controlling the C beam XL. I'd like to use Wifi to control it via an ethernet bridge. However, i notice that there seems to only be a USB option when i choose it as my controller.

    Any ideas how to use Open Build control from a separate room via Wifi or even ethernet ?? I'd like to use the CAM and control software from a different room if possible.

    Cheers

    Jamie
     
  5. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
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    Smoothieware is not supported, only Grbl.

    Networking support is not included or planned as stock Grbl does not have networking.
    If you want to use a network bridge use a TCP to virtual comport application to create a virtual serial port.
     
  6. Peter Van Der Walt

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    What is more important. The 3D view or the interface, buttons, etc. What does the viewer do: it shows you which file you loaded, and allows you to inspect the gcode a little. That's all. What really counts is being able to see the DRO, and have decent buttons that work on a touchscreen too. The 3D view is significantly less important, because it is also less usefull, than the other elements on screen. Accordingly thats how screen real estate is divided.

    Also, it has to fit every user, so compromises are to be expected. Some people have widescreens, some do not. Etc

    Having the extra width is awesome on the 3D viewer too, just hover over the viewer and turn the scrollwheel on the mouse: see how it uses the extra space now (;

    Reposition the view using middle and right mouse button drag
     
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  7. DarkPenguin

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    Is there a list of keyboard shortcuts for the dro? Are they settable somewhere?

    It's going to be somewhere obvious, I know it.
     
  8. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Not sure what Keyboard shortcuts you except to have effect on the DRO specifically (; , but all keyboard shortcuts can be viewed (and conversely edited) from Wizards and Tools > Customize Shortcut Key Assignments:


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  9. DarkPenguin

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    That's them! Thanks!
     
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  10. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Still rocking that old Windows 7 Laptop from 12 years ago?

    We've added a menu to Disable the 3D viewer - that should help you use all the other great features of CONTROL, but without the 3D viewer (which is just Eye candy really) which slow machines couldnt handle

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    Some others of you reported an issue where sometimes the job stalls for a couple seconds, with CONTROL showing Not Responding along the top, if you were one of those, PLEASE do a test for us with this: Disable the viewer and run a job, see if the stalling went away. Give us feedback please! As it doesnt happen here in our labs, we need those of you who do have the issue to help test: Does disabling the 3D Viewer make a difference to the stalls. This will help us zoom in the root cause of that issue :)
     
  11. jeffmorris

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    If I disable 3D Viewer and I wish to load another GCODE file, the 3D Viewer helps me find out if I load correct file or not.
     
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  12. Peter Van Der Walt

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    As does good headers in the gcode comments (;
    This is for those people who insist on using old hardware, Pi's etc. If you have an OK PC, you don't need it
     
  13. DarkPenguin

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    Is there any way to disable G53? Fusion keeps stuffing a G53 G0 at the beginning and end of my files.
     
  14. Peter Van Der Walt

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    This post (Duet Controller/Fusion 360 post fix) tells you how to add g-code to the header in a Fusion post processor. It should explain how to access the PP editor in Fusion and what to look for. You just need to do the reverse of what I did - find the line adding the unwanted G53 and delete it.
    Alex.
     
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  16. David the swarfer

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    @DarkPenguin , the G53 move is there for safety. What exact problem is it causing for you?
    and there are options for telling it to use an offset from 0. Maybe using that will help you.
     
  17. DarkPenguin

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    I don't have limit/homing switches so the physical home is completely random. The offsets do not work because I don't know how much or even in which direction I should set them before the run.
     
  18. jeffmorris

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    I tested the latest version of OB Control version with the 3D viewer disabled on my computer and CNC router at the program for mentally-handicapped people and it worked fine without any problems. I have been complaining about the software "locking up" and stopping responding.
     
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  19. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Great :) Now when you get a chance, give 1.0.196 a go:

    Moved it to the Troubleshooting tab, and added some more fine-grained options (disabling the whole 3D viewer was the nuclear option to see if it even is there that some of you have an issue)
    So when you have some time, play with it again, but instead of disabling the whole viewer (top item on the menu) try the finer levels one at a time and see if you can find one that definately relates to the lockups
     

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    ah, then you can do yourself a favour and 'fake the home'.

    The convention/rule is that home is at the positive ends of axis travel, which puts it 'right, away, up' for a router type machine.
    The most important one is Z, make sure it is up as far as it will go. X and Y can be in the middle somewhere though I do recommend X+ and Y+.

    Now, turn on or reset the GRBL controller (or even just connect the GUI which will reset GRBL).
    now GRBL thinks the current position is *home*.
    now you can jog to where this workpieces 0,0,0 point is and 'set zero' there (which sets the G54 offsets without changing home), and cut your job as usual.

    Before turning off when your day is done, just send it to the home position.
    I define a macro button for it
    Code:
    G53 G0 Z0
    G53 G0 X0 Y0
    
    This raises Z safely to home Z0 and then moves to X0 Y0, ready for faking home next time your turn it on. It is important to raise Z first, this makes it very likely that the tool will miss anything lying on the table when it moves to X0Y0 (my router table is a 'flat spot' and therefore collects junk so I find this useful)

    doing this also removes the randomness which means that G53 safety moves in Gcode will always be predictable and safe, set the offsets in Fusion to 0, you only really need an offset when you do have home switches because then going to 0 will actually trigger the switch, so one would normally set an offset of -10mm to prevent that.
     
  21. DarkPenguin

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    This sounds like an excellent plan. Thanks!
     
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  22. jeffmorris

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    I disabled the second and third items of the four items under the "Disable 3D Viewer System" and it worked on my machine and computer at home. I will test the on my machine and computer at the program on Monday. Your macro for homing the machine before turning it off may break bits if there are anything on the table or if the table isn't perfectly flat. I always home the machine after turning the machine on, zero XYZ coordinates, use touch probe to set Z-axis, and move the tool to work position at 0,0,0 before starting to cut anything.
     
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  23. stephane coquant

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    Hello all
    I use openbuild cam and openbuild control for my new engraver (MKS DLC based on GRBL 1.1). When I launch a Gcode on the engraver, I randomly encountrer an Error 24 and Error 1 and 2
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    Can you help me?
     
  24. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Thats the problem. MKS boards have notoriously cost cut hardware so the USB chip cant keep up and breaks the serial stream. Throw it out and get a decent controller
     
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  25. stephane coquant

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    Thx,

    Do you have any advice under 100$ :)
     
  26. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Sadly no, theres no way to fix the board in place. The hardware doesnt deliver the serial stream to the MCU coherently, and as such Grbl balks back with errors as the commands sent isnt what the MCU sees.

    Ask for a refund :)
     
  27. stephane coquant

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    I will do. I will have to change the board but I don't want to buy a 100 more $ for an Acro55 engraver.
     
  28. Peter Van Der Walt

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    I hear you. But do keep in mind, laser rastering sends a lot more tiny moves than most other kinds of jobs, so it is going to push most controllers quite hard. Cp2102 or FTDI are the only two USB chips that will cope and stay stable. 8u2, CH340, Prolific etc based boards will have trouble keeping up with rastering style datastreams.
     
  29. Peter Van Der Walt

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    So second and third: that would be Skybox and Realtime Job Position right?

    If you have another minute can we try and see if its one or the other? Would be even better if we can eliminate it down to one
     
  30. jeffmorris

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    I disabled "Skybox" and "Realtime Job Position". I tested my machine and computer at the program and it worked.
     

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