Welcome to Our Community

Some features disabled for guests. Register Today.

C-Bot

Discussion in '3D printers' started by Carl Feniak, Sep 29, 2014.

  1. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    When I created my BOM these corners came with two low profile M5 screws. I'll take a look at the BOM.
     
  2. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Looks great, thanks for updating and contributing!
     
    sheffdog likes this.
  3. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    I've added your additions into an assembly zip file with the pdf and pics. This way they won't get lost in the discussion forum and others will find them easier. I'll update it if you have more to add or updates to make.
     
    #453 Carl Feniak, Apr 12, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2015
    sheffdog likes this.
  4. hax0red

    hax0red New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2015
    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    14
    I used 8, 2 on each side of each arm. In also planning to use two 5 hole plates on top and two on bottom.

    I just finished my last cut and my belts will be here tomorrow. Hoping to have my C-Bot finished by this weekend And will post pictures.
     
    adamcooks and Carl Feniak like this.
  5. Elmo Clarity

    Elmo Clarity Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    149
    One thing that would help me, and I think others, would be part numbers for some of the items in the BOM. For example, the 'Push Fit Coupling 4mm ID 5MM OD, 2' item. It is listed on Ebay, but using the search listed in the comment comes up with several items, some of which don't match. I'm not sure exactly of which item is needed. And items come and go on Ebay so searching isn't always successful. A link to a fixed listing at Amazon, Open Builds Store, or others would really help. It could give a starting point for search for alternatives at lower prices.
     
    sheffdog likes this.
  6. sheffdog

    sheffdog New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2015
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    15
    Great point Elmo, I'll add some fixed links to my BOM and publish it, but I'll wait until my build is finished just to verify that my parts are correct and working!
     
  7. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    You definitely won't be able to use the same offset I did with the 16 tooth pulley's, as the diameter of the 20 tooth will be larger. It will also create a slight misalignement with the idlers on the front side of the XY/H bar moving bracket. Ideally this means a redesign using M4 or M5 flanged bearings for idlers, whichever is closest to a 20 tooth pulley effective diameter. For demo purposes you should be able to get away with out a redesign, just make sure you pretension your belts in the right position.
    So to answer your question... for a 16 tooth pulley the motor shaft is centered 12mm from the center of the extrusion. See horrible snipit below. The motor shaft center will have to be centered about an extra 1.4mm away, giving priority to the GT2 belt running through the length of extrusion to avoid scrapping.
    Capture.JPG Capture.JPG
     
    #457 Carl Feniak, Apr 12, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
  8. jzhvymetal

    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2014
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    3
    If I understand correctly since I am using a 18 tooth pulley the offset should be 12 + 1.4 =13.4mm. Is this correct?
     
  9. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Are you going to use an 18 or 20 tooth pulley?
    Approximately:
    20=13.4mm
    18=12.7mm
    If you are using the 18 tooth, I did a visual check and there should be enough room in the extrusion to accomodate a 0.7mm shift so you don't need to bother modifying if you don't want to.
     
  10. Balamurugan

    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2015
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi Carl
    I can't find BOM excel file. Can you help me with it. Thanks
     
  11. Elmo Clarity

    Elmo Clarity Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    149
    It's under the FILES tab.
     
  12. Balamurugan

    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2015
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    I checked in files tab before posting. I see .stl, .mov and .zip only
     
  13. Balamurugan

    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2015
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    can you please share it
     
  14. Elmo Clarity

    Elmo Clarity Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    149
    Hmmmm... Not there now. I think Carl was updating it. I don't have the file with me so can't upload it right now. I'll check when I get back home.
     
    Balamurugan likes this.
  15. Balamurugan

    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2015
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks Elmo
     
  16. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Yes, was making an update last night and forgot to reload. Posted.
     
  17. Balamurugan

    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2015
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    thanks Carl
     
  18. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Dual extrusion finally achieved! Still needs some tweaking in the nozzle realtive position settings, but not bad for second print.

    IMG_1151.JPG IMG_1152.JPG IMG_1154.JPG
     
    sheffdog and adamcooks like this.
  19. bhalkett

    bhalkett New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2014
    Messages:
    52
    Likes Received:
    12
    Carl,

    Are you using actual E3D v6 hotends?

    Brian
     
  20. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Yeah, in my experience I've found rip off hotends are not worth the frustration. I've had fake J-heads and an E3D v5.
     
  21. adamcooks

    adamcooks Well-Known
    Builder

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2014
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    65
    Do you not use a purge wall for you second color also? What are you slicing with? Can you set a skirt for each color with different offset?
     
  22. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    This was done with slic3r and it is an ooze wall. Different than a purge wall in that it takes the deactivating hotend outside the wall, drops its temp based on an configurable offset, and then heats the other. You want to have tuned P&IDs on you hotends or this is a slow process. There are other settings I have yet to play with, still experimenting.
    I actually used a temp offset of zero for this print (-5 is the default). So basically this was done with 7mm retraction, 0.5mm extra on reactivation, and a full height brim as a scrapping wall.
     
  23. hax0red

    hax0red New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2015
    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    14
    So your E3D V5 was a fake as well? I ask because I have a genuine J-head 0.35mm and a fake $6 0.4mm E3D V5 and while it prints, doesn't leak or clog the quality is crap compared to my J-head. I have seen decent quality come out of the E3D's but it seems much more common for a J-head to produce quality prints that you really need a magnifying glass to see flaws with. Really makes me wonder if all of the crappier prints are with a fake E3D and if so what the difference(s) are.
     
  24. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Yeah, the V5 I had was an Ebay clone. Probably would of been fine with ABS, but I was using it with PLA and it would jam constantly. I print 95% in PLA. I broke the heat break trying to unclog it once (my fault it broke), ordered a replacement heat break but a month and a half later it never arrived. Gave up on it.
    I then got a pico hotend off kickstarter. I can get my best quality prints with it, however, it is still bad with PLA (jam prone) and must be oil seasoned. Too annoying and risky for long prints. I still have it and it will be useful for doing really high temp stuff one day.
    With the genuine V6 E3D bowden style the PTFE tubing goes deep in the body, much like a J-head. No oil seasoning needed. Only ever jammed when I used 10mm retraction (for inactive dual extrusion just the other day actually).
    J-heads are tried and true. I have had two fakes and two genuines. Both fakes failed due to liner issues and me trying to fix them. I lost one genuine to an overheat event that melted the peek. The other is still going strong on my other printer. Most people complain about J-heads due to leaks and that the peek melt temp is only just above what you print at for ABS.

    Some factors of the nozzle design that affect print quality are nozzle tip design and back pressure. The pico has a great tip for layer control and precision, but doesn't produce as nice infill since it is so sharp. The E3D and J-head have a flat the is good for infill and wider extrusion widths, but isn't as sharp at corners and very small features.
    Others factors are external that you can control such as print temperature and speed. Cooler will temps will give you better overhang angle and feature sharpness, but higher temps give better layer strength. Personally, I think I am printing too hot right now and need to back off (PLA at 212 after first layer). That said, temps can't be compared between different nozzles due to thermistor locations and other stuff.
     
  25. Elmo Clarity

    Elmo Clarity Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    149
    One thing that would really help with the assembly instructions would be to indicate which STL file deals with the part being described. For example, the CoreXY Moving Rail Ends. It shows a picture of a part, but I'm not sure which file that part is in. I've downloaded all the files and will search for the part (I think it is the H-Bar Ends).
     
  26. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    I renamed the file "XY Bar Moving Ends" so hope that helps a bit.
     
  27. Elmo Clarity

    Elmo Clarity Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Messages:
    505
    Likes Received:
    149
    Putting the actual stl file name in the instructions would help more, but that name is a better description than H bar ends.
     
  28. Miertam

    Miertam New
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2015
    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    4
    I am in the middle of my build and I can't seem to find any parts to attach the psu to the frame. Does it just sit loose in the bottom of the printer?
     
  29. adamcooks

    adamcooks Well-Known
    Builder

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2014
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    65
    Mine is mounted on my "floor". There are a number of mounts on thingiverse for a meanwell style psu as well. IMG_20150412_091332.jpg
     
  30. Carl Feniak

    Carl Feniak Journeyman
    Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2014
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    246
    Mine is supported by the base frame. I didn't share mine as they wont be the right size for anyone. When creating the extrusions lengths part of the BOM sheet I did some length optimizing plus mine have a mount built in for my relay switch for the heated bed.
    As adam said, check out Thingiverse frist. If you can't find anything there and can't CAD, let me know and I'll modify mine to work for you.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice