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  1. Mohamma393

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    Hi

    i have blackbox x4
    Looking to upgrade to 32 to keep y axis holding when rotary works without mechanical holding
    also avoid switching between Y and ROTARY and changing steps every time

    I’m using aspire and f360 as cad/cam

    Just not sure what i have to do with post processor or anything else need to change

    please advise
     
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    Another question
    Can blackbox handle 2 high torque stepper motors in Y1 without losing power
     
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    Tha

    Thank you for your help
    I know aspire has only wrapping
    But how to tell i have A axis along X axis
    So it not moving Y stepper motors
     
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    Using a post processor. I don't have one at hand, but checkout Post Processor Editing
     
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    Ok thank you
    For fusion360 pp
    I don’t see anything to download,
    Im not sure what I have to do with it
     
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    Fusion post documentation is over on docs:software:fusion360 [OpenBuilds Documentation]

    Big green download button, and onscreen instructions will tell you what to do with it.
     
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    That pp include A xis configuration ?
     
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    to be clearer, the file OpenbuildsFusion360PostGrblX32.cps does include A axis for the BlackBox X32 controller.
    You do need to read the post options in Fusion carefully so that you get the right settings.
    When you hover over a setting, a little help box pops up.
     
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    Thank you, will see when bb32 arrives
     
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    hi
    toolpath is ok but PP failed
    machine is setup whith A axis
    tried with another 4axsis pp no problem (i did not use it for real machining)



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    Click the View Error log link and post it too
     
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    Information: Configuration: OB BBx32 Multi-axis Post Processor
    Information: Vendor: Openbuilds
    Information: Posting intermediate data to 'C:\Users\96650\Desktop\1001.gcode'
    Error: Failed to post process. See below for details.
    ...
    Code page changed to '65001 (UTF-8)'
    Start time: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:36:49 PM
    Code page changed to '20127 (�ĄȈĄ�ʊ�� �ĄŅ�����-ASCII)'
    Post processor engine: 4.5971.0
    Configuration path: C:/Users/96650/AppData/Local/Autodesk/Autodesk Fusion 360/DPVHJJ5SBD5C/W.login/M/D20210719428667651/CAMPosts/OpenbuildsFusion360PostGrblX32.cps
    Include paths: C:/Users/96650/AppData/Local/Autodesk/Autodesk Fusion 360/DPVHJJ5SBD5C/W.login/M/D20210719428667651/CAMPosts
    Configuration modification date: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 7:57:38 PM
    Output path: C:\Users\96650\Desktop\1001.gcode
    Checksum of intermediate NC data: a0435aa1702f3b0746d5ca7d79671eaa
    Checksum of configuration: 2ace88c1ed3cb4a7b5838f6e7992e7f4
    Vendor url: Build List | OpenBuilds
    Legal: Copyright (C) 2012-2023 by Autodesk, Inc. and OpenBuilds.com
    Generated by: Fusion 360 CAM 2.0.16985
    ...

    ###############################################################################
    Error: Safe retract option 'Clearance Height' is only supported when all operations are along the setup Z-axis.
    Error at line: 2173
    Failed while processing onOpen().
    ###############################################################################

    Error: Failed to invoke function 'onOpen'.
    Error: Failed to invoke 'onOpen' in the post configuration.
    Error: Failed to execute configuration.
    Stop time: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:36:49 PM
    Post processing failed.
     
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    In the post options you selected the 'clearace height' retract option.
    This cannot work for A axis code, so you must select the other option, G53.

    Note that using G53 also means that the machine must be homed properly with Z high so the tool clears everything on the table.
     
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    Thank you its work now
    Few days to receive the x32 then well see actual 4axis milling
     
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    received BB32 today and restored grble confg backup from my blackbox4 with some changes
    connected Y1&Y2 steppers in Y1driver
    jog X&Z no problem but,
    Y axis vibrating at 3500mm/m(old rapid speed)
    slow down until 1200 then its move smoothly but also not good torque, i stop it by hand with some resistance
    i checked wiring all good, then to connect them on blackbox4, its handle up to 1600/1700mm

    that drop too much around 70% and not strong
    im not sure i mess something or black box cant handle them

    video below
     

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    all stepper motors Openbuilds high torque
    grbl setting below
     

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    changed $4=1 to 0
    $5=0 to 7
    $6=disable to enable
    $10=1 to 511
    changed them

    i checked all wiring with multimeter from switch to switch all good connection and no short or crack
    im sure about wiring is correct as just remove them from BBx4 to BB32 and join 2Ys in Y1 driver


    see the photo and video
    **** i think not working , i upload photos in another replay below
    https://e.top4top.io/m_2809akaf51.mov

    https://f.top4top.io/m_2809kug962.mov

    https://g.top4top.io/m_28093s6rd3.mov

    https://h.top4top.io/m_2809newak4.mov



    https://e.top4top.io/m_2809akaf51.mov
    https://f.top4top.io/m_2809kug962.mov
    https://g.top4top.io/m_28093s6rd3.mov
    https://h.top4top.io/m_2809newak4.mov
     
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    Do you have Switches on the motor wiring?
     
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    i mean the connectors that came with Blackbox and stepper motors
     
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    tried to join motors wires with additional connector
    and insert them directly in BB connector
    2red 2 blue 2 green 2 yellow , same result

    one video 1400mm no problem , another one 1700 stalling

    photos shows how i joined steppers motors (removed limit switches to show you wiring better)
     
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    Videos
     

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    I need help please, what can do for that
     
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    if this is a belt drive machine then you have the motors wired incorrectly, one must be reversed.
    if it is leadscrew driven, then the wiring is ok (if both leadscrews turn the same direction) and your acceleration is probably too high for the current setting.

    and, have you flashed the BB32 with the latest software and the correct version?

    you are wiring the 2 Y motors into one driver as though you are going to use the 4th rotary axis on Y1, therefore you should flash the XYZA firmware, did you?

    if you are not going to use the 4th rotary axis, then flash the XYYZ firmware and use the Y and Y1 outputs for 1 motor each.

    and did you set the current as per the documentation that Peter linked to ? without enough current the motors will stall and sound just like your video. once the current is adjusted you can change the acceleration and max speed settings to suite the machine.
     
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    its ballscrew same as lead screw
    I increased current little but red led show up
    Will check acceleration which always 350 for year no problem
     
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    Is the motors ours? 3rd party might have incorrect specs (resistance for example) that causes issues in parallel where ours don't
     

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